I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. And Patricia wasnt all edges. He was happy. 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For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Great communicator. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. This is all BS.She did it. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. New state, new man. Not everything is a conspiracy. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. I cant lose them, he told the media. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Its never been made clear. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. You took my life. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Weak wages. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. Why? To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Im dying. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. A correction to the comment above. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Patricia Owens, After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. One on one? But none of those charges ever stuck. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. They are a joke. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. Oh my God. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. Hoist by my own petard! The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. And I hope I can get down to see her., Were very thankful to know that Patty is alive and well, Smith added. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. And she called 911. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Wow. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Patricia Wright is a prisoner in Central California Womens Facilitys Nursing Unit coping with an extraordinary array of challenges. j} [gut('bIKL|kY4`a;]MQ p2x $kw. (Nope. . Am I missing something? I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? WebPatricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Pal stays true. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. No show. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. Meticulous primping. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. However, Said never called 911. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with Special prosecutor Patricia Brown Holmes said, even though her side didn't win any convictions, the case still helped make police more accountable. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Locked up. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. . You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. 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Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Shes being well taken care of.. Its totally irrelevant. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. I wanted to get out of there.. It seems so, according to you. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Traupman died in 2016. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. I noticed quite a few errors myself. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Then you claim this is an opinion. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Crystal Carter is a Bay Area-based reporting fellow with the Center for Media, Crime and Justice in the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York (CUNY). Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? Its been going on for almost 31 years, the distraught man explained. Or did they? Thats all for this post. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Just one example. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. If the answer is no, enough said! At that time he was living in Connecticut. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. Book her. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. In 2016, Oklahoma police arrested the mother, Patricia Spann, now 44, and her 26-year-old daughter, Misty Velvet Dawn Spann, charging both of them with incest. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! Very similar. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking.

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