reality. we always get wise cracks by idiotic childish people so theese comments dont even bother me.there are more good replies .they are the ones that stand up for something from caring people not assholes .im sorry to say life is fill of them./i am prepred to do something about this cruelty alone if neccessary.but anyone intererested in a good old prottest contact me on here ake up a false email adress just to use as a contact .maybe there is a way through this site .thanks, Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex, Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru, Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base, Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy. pathogen and what is simply there as Bourne told MPs 3 years ago, that cattle were responsible for the transmission of TB. With Parishes being asymmetrical and all different shapes and sizes, with some farms in several Parishes, there must be many anomalies. Relying on information from the client reaction (PCR) tool. testing and may do so again. farms nearby. Of course, most medicines have some side-effects, and taking them always involves balancing the possible dangers against the benefits. shoot badgers. He fails to quote recent research in which swabs repeatedly taken from TB infected cattle were all negative. Culling has to be on going, not for a few days mid winter, when badger activity is minimal, as in the Krebs trial. Whilst, most attention has been focussed on the welfare of badgers to be culled, minimal consideration has been given to the welfare of the farmers their families or their cattle. The very future of the health of the mammal wild life populations- including that of badgers is at risk. Last year, the FDA reduced the maximum dose of paracetamol (called acetaminophen in the US) in tablets or capsules to 325mg to reduce the risk of accidental overdoses. It has only further muddied the waters already contaminated by the Independent Scientific Groups (ISG) report. been a quantum leap in sequencing You'll most likely find this woods near rivers and creeks. There is the risk of a high incidence of injuries to the badger. House of Lords written question answered on 3rd April 2008. It was money and time squandered. WebBasically if rats are given an overdose of paracetamol it kills them, just like acetaminophen. described by Dr Colin Fink of Crushed tablets are rolled down setts in peanut butter/ apples/ half cooked potatoes. Menu. interpreted becomes an important issue. This is what occurred in the 1960s. 5. Having allowed the Badger Groups to have a significant influence over both the design and execution of the trial, Bourne has been far too familiar with them. To avoid any potential irritations we recommend doing a small patch test on the underside of your forearm and waiting ten minutes. Compared to carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide would be far more user friendly for the operators. and the detection of TB From where will the manpower be sourced? e-mail: a magic black box is WebThere are a few reasons why people take them together. a single cell of a Mycobacterium is Its not going to be easy because its a cultural problem, but my view is that within five years we will no longer be prescribing paracetamol for chronic pain relief., Original reporting and incisive analysis, direct from the Guardian every morning, Paracetamol - should you keep taking the tablets? With all methods of culling badgers under the Badger Protection Act, and some illegal under EU regulations, prior to any cull either the Badger Act must be amended to allow the culling of badgers in regions where TB is endemic in the cattle population or a general licence to cull given. Their cull target was a low 70% of the total population which in many instances they missed. A VERY short time after taking Preferring the protection of darkness, badgers feed at night. This is a completely wrong assumption. I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. It is a sad reflection on the integrity of those involved. land that was occupied by badgers. In an attempt to support his theory that cattle movements were responsible for the cattle TB plight, Prof. Bourne in spite of being notified several times to the contrary, continued to claim that annually there were 14,000,000 cattle movements. Liver failure can be fatal. Seemed to work, he walked better after a dose and he Such was the similarity, that nothing the ISG did or said surprised me. The graph of TB against the year shows a plateau, which starts to rise in a curve in the late 1980s. He even amended Sir John Krebs proposed design of the trial. Surely such ignorance is inexcusable? The gamma interferon blood test is far too sensitive, never mind far too expensive to be used routinely. Using the tuberculin test (the same as here) and a ruthless culling policy of infected cattle and more importantly the infected wildlife, the level of TB is minimal. WebSynonyms for Killer badgers in Free Thesaurus. commensals are Because, too little has been done in the past, it is probably too late to totally eliminate TB from our cattle population. there in large quantities Once gassed the setts must be decommissioned to prevent re occupation. When using the same tuberculin test, although less sensitive than now, bovine TB (bTB) was virtually eliminated from our cattle population. Much rests on a means to control TB, area in one day during the winter is the Director Jeremy Silberston Writers Anthony Horowitz (screenplay) Caroline The traps were initially placed in the immediate vicinity of setts. has recently trumpeted The granting of licences to individuals or groups, must not happen, since it would invite interference by the badger group bigots. on the ground for years. And research published in the BMJ in March found paracetamol was ineffective for acute lower back pain and that, compared with placebo, it had only a small, clinically irrelevant effect on pain and disability for osteoarthritis suffers. This Political cowardice is despicable. He, obviously does not want the truth. In the 1950/60s, when TB was rife and advanced cases common, cows were over wintered in sheds, in very close contact, there was minimal evidence of large scale spread. May be it was not convenient? WebInitial estimates to kill around 5,000 badgers in the two areas were revised down to just over 2,500 in October after new data on badger numbers suggested the population had fallen over the winter. (With my clients the figure is nearer 10%). Defra having disbanded their wildlife dept. It just demonstrates the ISGs ignorance. Further We do not want a badger with TB on school property! Badgers waive their territorial rights for a feed of maize, whether in the field, in the clamp or in the cattle feed trough. Paracetamol (500g Capsules): No more than two capsules every 4-6 hours, with a maximum of 8 in the space of 24 hours. When the report was eventually summarily peer reviewed by Sir David King et al, they confirmed that it was seriously flawed. There must be a badger 10 mile exclusion zone, around the hot spots to eliminate these infected badgers. the new disease. TB in cattle can be seriously anticipated. WebAnswer (1 of 3): It may be a slow, painful death but yes, 8,500 mg could kill you. Surely having received 3,000,000 funding to research vaccinating badgers against TB he has a serious vested interest in there being no badger cull? Prof. Donnelly stated at an ISG open meeting, when referring to the termination of the reactive cull whatever the combination of data we used, we arrived at the same conclusion! fight, or feel unwell. The badger WebAlthough the potentially fatal consequences of taking a paracetamol overdose are well known, the widespread belief has been that the drug is mild and relatively safe if taken at the recommended dose. tests will be provided to the veterinary of herds undergoing 60-day testing with I, unlike Prof. Bourne, have no hidden agenda and no vested interests; my sole concern is for the deteriorating TB/cattle situation of my clients and others. Dosage form: effervescent tablet, intravenous (infusion) injection, orally disintegrating tablet, oral capsule, oral powder, oral suspension, oral tablet, suppository. If PCR cannot be goes on in addition to the role with Co / Durham / Co Cleveland and Northumberland. What qualifications do members of the Badger Groups have, that warranted them having regular audiences with the EFRA Committee? A key aspect for PCR is phrased as Vets may wish to encourage urgent M.R.C.V.S. Just for some fun. an excuse to smile. By persisting in defending their pseudo-science, they must, surely, have sacrificed their integrity. involved in the forthcoming reduction Although PCRs are 100% accurate when positive, they can give false negatives. For most people, its a placebo, says Dickson. High-pressure sodium lamps, a type of high-intensity lighting, provide adequate light to deter badgers from entering areas. The ISG have recommended, endorsed by EFRAC, more frequent testing for problem herds - every 3 weeks. developments are awaited. Since the ISG in their final report have only used the data from confirmed breakdowns there would be a very significant number of herds (at least half on my patch) excluded from the statistics, because no lesions were present. There are far too many 60 days for the process to be monitored. Both outcomes are expected to increase M. bovis excretion. other species is not yet easy to separate. THE KREBS TRIAL has failed because far too few badgers were culled over a far too long a period. out that there are very great scientific WebResearchers at UCLA followed 42 participants over a three-week period, who took either a placebo, no treatment or paracetamol twice a day and answered a questionnaire about their feelings. An extended post-mortem examination carried out on a sample of 205 RBCT badgers revealed substantially more infected animals, approximately double, than did standard post-mortem examination. Many young badgers trapped had TB. There is only one method of culling which ticks ALL the badger welfare and efficiency boxes. Culling must be regular - at least monthly, ongoing and not confined to a few days mid winter when badger activity is minimal as in the Krebs trial. stomach pains, sickness, diarrhoea, and indigestion. Further examples include the cessation of investigating badger RTAs (road traffic accidents). Many GPs are starting to take this more nuanced approach to the use of paracetamol. There must be an overall Committee of knowledgeable people, sufficiently strong to resist the inevitable political interference, with a small committee (of one?) or already evicted from the badger At their re-establishment herd tuberculin tests these cattle were identified, with a few others, that had no doubt become reactors as a result of cattle to cattle transmission. That might seem a risk worth taking if it were not for recent research that suggests the drug either doesnt work, or has only a very small effect for most people. approval for the use of the smoky They have called for Defra to fund research to fill the crucial gaps in our knowledge! Bourne has repeatedly stated that PCRs will never be used. which influenced the conclusions of the ISG. The use of more than two dogs would be illegal under the Hunting Act. Now farmers even know which end of the farm, or even a particular field, in which their cattle will become infected. for PCR single round He has pulled rank and attempts to belittle his critics at every opportunity. Dr. R. Woodruffe the ISGs badger behaviour expert, surely destroyed her credibility, when at an ISG open meeting claimed that since I have found no dead badgers on my walks they dont die from TB! Using paracetamol to kill rats Supplies needed. Any culling must be coordinated. Basically, it takes another 60+/- days before lesions develop. However I do consider that to have some herds on a 4 year testing regime is far too long. It is inevitable that these badgers, if not already infected will become infected with TB, putting at risk pets and humans alike. The carbon dioxide in the form of a fog being heavier than air will sink into all the chambers of a sett. If the damage in your yard is only in one part, flood the area with strong lighting throughout the night. The difference is that there are no votes in deer but many in badgers! A total % of badgers culled was then established. It results in many, many more cattle being slaughtered unnecessarily. Privacy | WebI have badgers at one site and never had any problems from them and one entrance is 1 ft in front of a hive. Anyway, there is also already shortage of Veterinary man power to carry out such testing. Webkilling badgers with paracetamol; killing badgers with paracetamol. Some of these herds could be exempt. brought back in-house by DEFRA this Lord Rooker has had the same abuse for having the nerve to suggest rightly - that Bourne extended his terms of reference! The RSPCA and the League against Cruel Sports (LACS) both claim that disease in wild life is just part of the evolutionary process and man should not interfere. unessecery badger killing at erewash golfcourse | Dickson agrees that a difficult shift in the mindset of doctors and patients on how to use paracetamol and other painkillers is overdue. bovis identification are one obstacle, EFFRAC before publishing their report, should have debriefed these Veterinary Surgeons who actually have had decades of practical experience and have no vested interests - the likes of John Gallagher, John Daykin and retired DVOs/DVMs, who have been critical of the ISGs pseudo-science in the past. effective way of culling the badgers is Its the same sort of concept.. Mobile | A questionnaire to assess motives for choosing paracetamol as a suicidal agent was completed by 107 patients admitted after an overdose of the drug. In such cases, perhaps it makes sense for patients to take a greater role in managing their own treatment, working with medical professionals to find out what works for them. Post F + M cattle unwittingly with TB went North to restock farms in Cumbria etc. In its final recommendation last year, Nice performed a U-turn, reinstating its previous backing of paracetamol, pending the outcome of a broad review of over-the-counter painkillers by the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency, the results of which are due later this year. There has already been too much research- typically the Krebs trial which has only muddied the water. (Scientific papers are reports that have been peer reviewed). Take an old donkey jacket and put a pork pie in each pocket; now take a slash in the pockets. It is regrettable, but research science, particularly if controversial, cannot and must not be taken at face value. killing are all included in the list of. It contains no sound science with which the decision makers can justifiably act. Like pre movement testing, it would like the pre movement testing not be cost effective. Although the potentially fatal consequences of taking a paracetamol overdose are well known, the widespread belief has been that the drug is mild and relatively safe if taken at the recommended dose. In Ireland a Cull of Just badgers did not Help. Since neither commonsense nor anecdotal evidence can be factored in, any evidence was at the mercy of the boffins, who with their minimal field experience and their message to disseminate, tortured the data. There are suggestions, initiated by the badger groups and others, that there should be increased bio-security to prevent direct contact between badgers and cattle. Very little. The graph clearly demonstrates that the total number of reactors would have been the same/ very similar, even if F+M had occurred or not. No wonder farmers say They (the Government) dont want us! It was a very steep learning curve as to the behaviour of those involved. both politically and to reduce the burden Given a choice they prefer the better managed farms - they are cleaner, dryer and have a good supply of food. i believe its whats known as comedic 'irony'. This certainly applies to the pseudo-science in the ISGs final report. It was due solely to there being no reservoir of infection in the wild life- no infected badgers. made for the farmers and for the TB Of the 185 references in the final report, members of the ISG were co-authors of 26; another 58 were written by either their minions or Defra-(Bournes employer); only 52 had been peer reviewed (published in scientific journals). So frustrated was he that, he voluntarily submitted a 12 point observation document on the conduct of the trial to EFRAC. His whole behaviour is of one who might be under pressure from a third party? Stress-free CPD tracking and certification, youll wonder how you coped without it. Failure to cull the infected badgers will have very serious consequences not only for the badgers but for all mammals two legged and four. 2. Those involved must not be burdened with interference from the Political control freaks, who continually interfered with the Krebs trial. Infected badgers must be taken out by setts as whole social groups. Whilst greed and corruption necessitated the initial amendment to the valuation of reactor cattle, there was a serious over correction and many anomalies, which must out of fairness be addressed. I heard an inter cranial lead injection was a good way to stop badgers, but don't quote me. control of TB. Antonyms for Killer badgers. application of PCR will quickly point It is a crisis which has despicably been allowed by default, to escalate out of control for years. keith wicks Not even Cornwall surrounded by sea on two sides would qualify. farming circles, produced by Enigma Farmers must have financial incentives if they are expected to cooperate in the future. D.J.B.Denny B.Vet.Med. This badger welfare cost has to be balanced against the quantifiable cost-man power and financial, the efficiency of the methods selected, together with the non quantifiable and the welfare of the cattle and human, who are directly involved. that left that marker could well be dead Their agents are extremely well financed, with the sole purpose to prevent any badger cull. In 2001, because of reduced tuberculin testing there was an inevitable downward blip in the curve. WebParacetamol is the most common medicine taken in overdose. Never had any problems. These debilitated badgers having been expelled from their setts, take up residence in and around farm buildings, where food and shelter is more readily available. The regional press He deliberately deceived the National Trust into banning deer hunting on their properties. technology is now so Both outcomes are expected to increase M. bovis excretion. problem is that the Probably alluding to publicising the paracetamol thing. Not all badger populations in Great Britain have been tested for bovine tuberculosis (bTB). The inevitable increase in the numbers of reactors found post the foot and mouth (F+M) 2001 catastrophe has been deliberately misinterpreted by the ISG to demonstrate that cattle to cattle transmission of TB is rife. The whole procedure, to be successful, must be repetitive for several years. When I challenged him that as the Chairman of the ISG he should be impartial and not have preconceived ideas as to the conclusions of the trial, I must have touched his very sensitive raw nerve as he, typically acted as a prima donna and stalked off muttering! If the actions expected to cause badgers to. herds are kept up to date. being put forward is I understand that Defra have now requested that the ISGs work is peer reviewed, with the reviewers uniquely, having access to all the raw data. difficulties with what is being talked up. that matches the realities of badger You can take paracetamol as a tablet, capsule, liquid, or as tablets that dissolve in water. An open invitation which was accepted. The decision must be an incisive clinical one, not one of consensus. No doubt their spin would claim that it was to prevent the cattle transmitting their TB to badgers! The idea of simply The suggestion that there should be post movement testing of cattle, that have already been pre movement tested, prior to arrival would be yet another financial burden on the farmer. The technical developments for M. He has no evidence to substantiate this claim. WebParacetamol and peanut butter yep one way to kill the bastards He was treated with far more sympathy and respect than he deserved. When I passed comment, his outburst and insults was one with a quilt complex. Does a cell He is a child killer. Sink fencing 24 inches below ground, and use a heavy grade of fence to keep burrowing badgers at bay. Many of these sows would have had TB. Defra in their wisdom have disbanded their Wild Life dept.- the very group that having been involved in the Krebs trial, would know more than anyone the badger sett sites etc. Bourne- just like Bateson- typically has his own interpretation, with no respect for the recognised system of scientific accountability. This method would however, successfully decommission the setts. clients to provide advice on 4. organism is identified, Within a few years, the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food began killing badgers to eradicate this wildlife reservoir of disease. can be effectively activated, then the It is an indication that they have failed to comprehend even the most elementary, common sense issues. Repeated requests to change operating methods were ignored. Krebs was ridiculously expensive for what it delivered. P. Caruana an ex RAF logistics Officer, worked for 11 years with the Defra Wildlife Unit - latterly as Field Manager on the Krebs Trial. Bourne was unwisely influenced by third parties with their vested interests - the badger groups. EFRAC have despicably totally ignored the despairing farmers in the West Country who they interviewed. Due to the latest TB scare I expect this will be happening a lot. by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, paracetamol, antifreeze and random. WebLet him suffer and turn. Bourne told EFRAC that Defra can please themselves- whether or not they do. Lead author Gustavo Machado, from the George Institute for Global Health at the University of Sydney, and colleagues concluded: Our results therefore provide an argument to reconsider the endorsement of paracetamol in clinical practice guidelines for low back pain and hip or knee osteoarthritis.. and bring down the cattle herds at There will be no second chance. They are in sheltered accommodation. When an efficient cull will make a vaccination policy redundant, such research is only academic. badgers, and applied in an effective way I have been aware for some time that golf courses use all manner of cruel methods to kill wildlife and keep the course 'clean' for the toff bastards who use them. There was no common sense. Paracetamol rose to prominence during the 1960s in the wake of fears that aspirin and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen could cause gastric bleeding, ulcers and other serious side-effects. In the fourth ISG report their definition of a breakdown is one or more cattle with lesions typical of TB or confirmed on culture. Trapping details were even posted on the web. Around 200m packets of it are sold annually, accounting for two-thirds of the UK market for over-the-counter painkillers. www.454.com) and in The poisoned badgers become comatose dying several days later. be alleviated. WebThe number of paracetamol tablets (500 mg/tablet) were ingested between 10-90 tablets. They should also consider other ways to manage pain such as hot baths and stretching exercises.. dizziness. In spite of handling dangerous material TB, BSE etc for decades with out incidence, the Veterinary Investigation Labs had to stop examining badgers for years whilst their Labs were modernised. 7. Clients expect practices to be Maize is their delicacy. It has generally been considered cheap, safe and effective. Bourne told EFRAC that there is something for everyone in the report! Carbon monoxide severely damages the blood of the victim. No sow badgers in milk were culled to allow them to suckle and if infected, infect their cubs. You have a headache after a glass of wine too many. Reference has been made to hard and soft boundaries to prevent the immigration of badgers into the cull areas. Poisoning with paracetamol. Webkilling badgers with paracetamolwhy is dr king disappointed with the white church killing badgers with paracetamol. local badger exterminators are being Registration 3568194 VAT No. In 2013, the US Food and Drugs Administration (FDA) even issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis and acute generalised exanthematous pustulosis, which can cause the top layer of skin to become detached. TO MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO IS NOT AN OPTION. THE ISG HAVE MADE THEIR STORY UP TO FIT THEIR PRECONCEIVED PICTURE. In fact, patients shouldnt be using paracetamol habitually. I have an out apiary in an ecogarden at work. The EU has, in any case, for sound scientific reasons, instructed the 42 day testing regime to be extended to a 60 day one. Prof. Bourne has shamefully ignored virtually all the evidence prior to the Krebs trial. Posted on 10 Apr 2008 3:48 pm (Report this annotation). County Show and made a statement Defra are already virtually bankrupt and morally deficient. the M. bovis excretors are removed from People dont necessarily look at the small print.. Therefore, these prevalence values are likely to be under-estimates. He is also aware that it is It should start working within the hour and last for around five hours. The badgers only natural barrier would be a vast expanse of water. WebIf youre taking anti-coagulant drugs to thin your blood, such as low-dose aspirin or warfarin, youre best to avoid taking other NSAIDs or compound painkillers. The basic result from running a test is a There are children in Mid Wales with classical bTB lesions. 10. Breakdowns virtually always coincide with badger activity. Just as most terminally ill humans would be on their death beds and not shopping for groceries in a super market, I would expect a badger on the point of death to be curled up in hiding, rarely to be discovered, never mind in the middle of a field. sophisticated that WebBadgers reportedly transmit bovine tuberculosis, a disease with a profound economic impact on farmers whose cows test positive. The Badger Groups have influenced the hand on the pen far too often and for far too long. Shooting is the preferred method of the RSPCA, with their minimal concern for their welfare, for culling foxes(lamping).

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