Why will the proclamation of peace and security be a dangerous lie? That's the beauty of religion and superstition, it has no limits. Armageddon: The Next of the Left-Behind Series, The English Standard Version and Micah 5:2, Be Confident of Your Salvation Studies in 1 John (Part 2). 17:3,16) That swift destructionas if in one daywill come as a shock to those who supported her. (The Time Is At Hand; 1889; 1908 ed. 19-20. Either you are "over-eagar" OR you are "spiritually asleep.". Jehovah's Witnesses - for indeed, it is they - are stepping up their presence in city centres across the UK in an effort to attract converts to a church that claims more than 8 million . I also remember the argument about how Adam was created 6000 before 1975 but we didn't know when Eve was created or when they officially sinned. The best way to do that is to set a date. We obey the good news when we apply it in our lives. I'll bring the organization into the promised land, oh yeah! Some Dubs believed the year 2000 would not arrive before Armageddon. Each year they gather into the organization tens of thousands of new ministers, clearly a product of Jehovah's spirit operating through his invisible King-Son and his angelic representatives, then through his faithful slave class on earth today.- . Would you like to read this article in %%? Was the Siege at Jerusalem in A.D. 70 the Worst in World History? But this lie will be especially dangerous because it will give people a false sense of security just before the greatest tribulation in human history begins. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. (b)According to Ezekiel 38:2, 8, 9, what will bring Gog to the symbolic place called Armageddon? Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. Will religious leaders participate? Wow long topic title. The berating talks, guilt inducing WT studies, pressure from the CO & DOs, placement of MTS grads, none have really worked. *** Watchtower 1964 October 1 p.601 Pay Attention to Prophecy ***. Jehovahs Witnesses teaches that Armageddon will start in the year 2034. *** w79 7/1 p. 29 How Jehovah Guides His People ***17 However, during these "last days," have erroneous views about this system's end or telos (Greek) been held in advance by some of Jehovah's servants? They believe that Jesus Christ has been ruling in heaven as king since 1914, a date they believe was prophesied in Scripture, and that after that time a period of cleansing occurred, resulting in God's selection of the Bible Students associated with Charles Taze Russell to be his people in 1919. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYGp5gD-oo&feature=related. 8 That will be the foretold proclamation of peace and security. Why will world leaders say that? The cover of that particular issue dramatically asked: Are we nearing Armageddon? (Watchtower, October 15, 1980). 19:11, 14,15) But what about Jehovahs chief enemy, Satan, whose lying propaganda led the nations to Armageddon? Had not God's organisation been teaching about the 'generation' for decades? 1. It doesn't have to be either/or. (C.T. (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 404), 1920 'we may expect 1925 to witness the return of these faithful men of from the condition of death, being resurrected' (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 88), 1920 'Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old' (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p. 89-90), 1922 "The indisputable facts, therefore, show that the "time of the end" began in 1799; that the Lord's second presence began in 1874." Then, at Armageddon, he will destroy the rest of Satans world, including its political, military, and commercial systems. It's amazing that other Christians will mock us for this scriptural belief but at the same time tell . Revelation is clear that it is the Kings of the earth versus God. ***15 Yes, Jehovah's people have had to revise expectations from time to time. A Numerologist can always add 30 or 40 years to the last date that failed because it was based on Numerology and go on like all is well. How come they can't just say "we've done more research, we think we were mistaken. 12-18) Noteworthy is the sentence that says: "Rather than trying to decide whether a certain person, family or group of persons . 19 During these difficult last days, many of Jehovahs people are experiencing trials. Only when new appointments are made to the governing body of people who have a reasonable chance of making it to 2034 will this idea get off the ground. This is similar to the view that the disciples had as to the imminence of God's kingdom in their day. View Rude Words. The thing is that date setting is the only thing that keeps JWs motivated. Possibly. A few weeks later, the Jehovah's Witnesses closed on a $200 million sale of that building to the private equity firm Kayne Anderson Real Estate Advisors, which plans to turn the property into . Share I didn't see this as an endorsement of 2035 as the end, but rather a statement that there's still lots of time left. 38:16) But Gog will soon see that he has marched into a trap. Final Prophecy Cycle Timeline Images; . The Bible tells us about a most unusual proclamation. The 2034 date is thoroughly refuted by the numbers in the Insight book. 1:6-9. How so? The general warnings about the nearness of the end, no matter how strongly they are worded, will simply not have the same impact as a definite prediction. They proudly bear his name, and they have obeyed his command to flee from Babylon the Great. Or those determined to fight a "war on terror". I'm surprised they haven't called 9/11 a fulfillment of some prophecy. "The 'slave' class has served as God's sole collective channel for the flow of Biblical truth to men on earth. 9. It fit together so nicely. *** w86 3/15 p. 19 Allow No Place for the Devil! You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets , or witnesses for God. Coming? This means that 0.236% of Jehovah's Witnesses have died of Covid-19, over 4 times higher than the global rate in August 2021 of 0.051%. It behooves all who love righteousness to put forth every effort to advertise THE THEOCRACY while the privileges are still open" ( The Informant, May . class to publish the interpretation after the Supreme Court by Christ Jesus reveals it. Jehovah has allowed the nations time to experiment with all different forms of government. (b)What questions will we consider in this article? 11 Replies While I'm not sure they'll make the same mistake they made before, but I would be willing to put some money on it. This explains how Witnesses, even in western countries, were able to demonstrate significant increases in the 1980s and early 1990s. He will vent that rage by using demonic propagandaunclean inspired expressionsto cause a coalition of nations to turn on Jehovahs servants. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years. So, can it now be reasoned that there is at least some indication that the presence of Jesus Christ can now be numbered at 120 years based upon the record of the history of Noah (or the days of Noah) in Genesis, making the end now to appear to come in 2034? They have to figure out a way to motivate the average JW in the developed world to give more. 12 God will not allow the nations to destroy his people. What is the scarlet-colored wild beast, and how is it involved in the outworking of Gods will concerning Babylon the Great? 77:12) These activities, along with a full share in the ministry, will keep our faith strong and our hope alive! I recall giving a PT about the last days (early 90s) and even using the argument that we were almost at the 80 year anniversary of 1914 and that generation didn't have many left. What will Jehovah not allow the nations to do, and why not? As she grew up as a third-generation Jehovah's Witness, there were certain things . There may be some infighting about this as there was in Franz' day, but some new 'prophet' will need to come forward from among them! There is little surprise that the movement frequently has been dubbed a non-prophet enterprise. #1 would make the most sense from a business prospective but I don't see them resisting #2. Your donation gift(s) are very much appreciated and may qualify as a charitable deduction for federal income tax purposes. 7. 38:19-22) He may turn his enemies against one another. To receive everlasting life in the earthly we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it. *** Awake! Barking at an Empty Log: Atheism & Millennialism. The abundance of spiritual food and the amazing details of Jehovah's purposes that have been revealed to Jehovah's anointed witnesses are clear evidence that they are the ones mentioned by Jesus when he foretold a "faithful and discreet slave" class that would be used to dispense God's progressive revelations in these last days. Or will ordinary Witnesses see through the date setting because of the flood of information on the Internet? [Christ] outlined things that would befall the Jewish nation during the execution of Jehovahs judgment upon Jerusalem at the hands of the Roman general Titus (Dan. This works for the current GB as some of them will be alive in 2034 but all will be dead by 2154! If you would, reflect back with me upon the Witnesses article, from the Watchtower issue cited above. | 19:16) This is what makes the congregation theocratic in structure, adhering to God-rule. It will not arrive in my lifetime (I'm part of Wobble's generation), nor will it occur within the lifetime of anyone who ever lives. From what I've read in the forum, the doctrine change has been a fairly stealthy one and hasn't fully registered in the consciousness of the rank and file (especially with the WTS still shouting the "end is near! 32:8) We will trust in Jehovah our Goda stand that will seem foolish to the nations. Copyright 2001-2015 Jehovah's Witness Discussion Forum | JW.Org Community Information. The Witnesses, however, assign a most strange interpretation to the phrase. Welcome This website was founded by dedicated, baptized Jehovah's Witnesses. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' Witness leaders nowadays do not have the luxury of an 'open the window' period of reform, although there have been some small moves in that dirrection. A third requirement is that we be associated with God's channel, his organization. Second, the area around Megiddo is far too small to hold the kings of the entire inhabited earth and their armies and war machines. For example, by the waters of Megiddo, God helped Israelite Judge Barak defeat a Canaanite army led by a chief named Sisera. Jesus statement helps to correct the wrong idea conveyed in the way some Bible versions mistranslate the word presence. Some translations render it coming, advent, or return, all of which imply a momentary event in time. Rather, it appears that they are both describing the condition, attitude, and behavior of the people prior to an event, with the event being the subject of the sentences. 18:4) They have also worked hard to help others flee from her. Jesus will hurl him and his demons into an abyss, where they will be locked away for a thousand years.Rev. Those events occurred over many decades. Per Jehovah's Witnesses' theology, Armageddon is preceded by a period of time known as "the great tribulation.". You know how to tell when summer is near. latest (Rev. That great historical event took place in the year 1914, conclusive proof concerning this having already appeared in the . (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc. Wherever they are on earth, Gods people will trust in him when the attack is launched (See paragraph13)*. You should live with fellow Jehovah's Witnesses only. against Sisera. (Ps. Megiddo and the nearby Jezreel Valley were the sites of many battles. ", ok, so here is MY gripe. ***. Armageddon isn't what they say it is anyhow, even if it were true. 6 How will God defeat his enemies at Armageddon? 9 Jehovah will not wipe out Satans entire world all at once, as he did in Noahs day. ***, Jehovah's Witnesses , in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. In 2014, a San Diego judge ordered Watchtower to award $13.5 million to a man who was abused by a church . :) But wait, if there is a whole mutli-million $ industry for lovers of sado-masochism, then there's nothing extraordinary about the WTS business always taking its faithful members on a ride. His mother died 16 years later in 1954, refusing a blood transfusion for a life-saving operation. That will be enough for the WTS to delude the JW's for another 14 yrs. I'm the guy for the job! Never did they say, 'These are the words of Jehovah.' cecinissem casuri agitandarum radiaretis inhibere domuum in Hebrew Gematria equals 2191: c 3 e 5 c 3 i 9 n 40 i 9 s 90 s 90 e 5 m 30 0 c 3 a 1 s 90 u 200 r 80 i 9 0 a 1 g 7 i 9 t 100 a 1 n 40 d 4 a 1 r 80 u 200 m 30 0 r 80 a 1 d 4 i 9 a 1 r 80 e 5 t 100 i 9 s 90 0 i 9 n 40 h 8 i 9 b 2 e 5 in Hebrew Gematria equals 2191: c 3 e 5 c 3 i 9 n 40 i 9 s 90 s 90 e 5 m 30 0 c 3 . when would they say their 144,000 would come from. The fact of the matter is, however, the Watchtower folks concede that Christs application was to the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70. (Josh. some new 'prophet' will need to come forward from among them! (b)Why will our knowing Jehovah prove to be a blessing at Armageddon? 8 Footnote: Isn't it wonderful brothers that we can prove the pagan Mayan long count cycle that ends in 2012 is wrong, therefore it must be Satan's influence we see in the Mayan calendar. latest (Ezek. "It is easy for the established churched of Christendom and other people to criticize JWs because their publications have, at times, stated that certain things could take place on 'certain dates'.True, some expectations that appeared to be backed up by Bible chronology did not materializee at the anticipated time. The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah's day to our present day. 11:3; Acts 14:23. (Prov. (a)According to 1Thessalonians 5:1-6, what unusual proclamation will world leaders make? 1986 June 8 p.9 "Would That All Were Prophets!" Don't cry Slimboy, its early here on the east coast on my side of the pond and most of the rest of the yanks are still in bed, I'll give it a read after my next cup of joe. Therefore, these revisions and changes are themselves fully theocratic, so they do not alter in any way the fully theocratic structure of the organization. ( Gense 6:3) Ce decret divin mis en 2490 avant notre re marqu le commencement de la fin pour le monde impie. Let's take a real close look at the name "Jehovah . Jehovah's Witnesses are more convinced than ever before that the end of the world is imminent. Remember they are inspired but not directed by the active force. Only the best I'll accept, I learned well from the HUMBLE Governing Body, oh yeah! 16:5-7; 19:1, 2. 2. Pole. Im not questioning the argument for the presence being some period of time, it is simply that to use these verses (Matthew 24:37-39 and Luke 12:26-28) to definitively do so creates more questions and speculation than it needs to, given all of the other proof texts and reasoning that could be used (to support the parousia being a period of time). by ClassickConcept You will see a gradual emphasis of this until the mid-to-late 2020s when they will go completely nuts with it like they did in 1914, 1915, 1925, 1975. Answer the door. King of the North 1914 to Armageddon; GT Timeline. If an organization is to be fully theocratic, it must be directed and controlled altogether by God and by the forces he operates. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. And, since Luke included both Noah and Lot in his discussion, we would now have to calculate the time that Lot was in Sodom and figure this into our calculations, and I have been unable to find any reference to that time period anywhere. All this activity is not an accident. 11:18) To help us understand these points more clearly, let us consider four questions: What is Armageddon? 15. Did not Moses make a 40-year miscalculation in trying to act ahead of time to remove Israel's affliction? Or will the Witnesses break up into various factions and branches before it even reaches that stage? There is no comparison! Let us take a closer look at those two major events. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them Have Jehovah?s Witnesses and the ?Faithful and Discrete Slave? (1John 2:3-5; 5:3) When we show that we know God, we have the honor of being known by him, which will be lifesaving at Armageddon! They may be surprised by the sudden start of Jehovahs day, but they will not be caught off guard. Just as the early Christian congregation collectively served as the channel of communication from heaven to earth, so in our time. In fact they go so far as to say that unless one calls on the true name of God, "Jehovah," one cannot be saved. The Watchtower recognizes the truth as belonging to Jehovah, and not to any creature. Since the generation that overlapped with the eagle-eyed anointed that saw the enthronement that also overlapped the end of the gentile times. rutus produceremus solvendus domino pingit emittetis in Hebrew Gematria equals 3532: r 80 u 200 t 100 u 200 s 90 0 p 60 r 80 o 50 d 4 u 200 c 3 e 5 r 80 e 5 m 30 u 200 s 90 0 s 90 o 50 l 20 v 700 e 5 n 40 d 4 u 200 s 90 0 d 4 o 50 m 30 i 9 n 40 o 50 0 p 60 i 9 n 40 g 7 i 9 t 100 0 e 5 m 30 i 9 t 100 t 100 e 5 t 100 i 9 s in Hebrew Gematria equals 3532: r 80 u 200 t 100 . Yep just as they said Moses screwed up too, only they failed to point out that he was condemed to not see the Promised Land. | To teach his disciples the importance of keeping on the watch, Jesus told them: "Note the fig tree and all the other trees: When they are already in the bud, by observing it you know for yourselves that now the summer is near.". The Society is adding a 120 years to the 1914 date to come up with the hinted date of 2034. The present study of 50 Jehovah's Witnesses admitted to the Mental Health Service facilities of Western Australia suggests that members of this section of the community are more likely to be admitted to a psychiatric hospital than the general population. (Acts 15:16, 17; Rev. I was just a young kid during the 75 debacle but I do remember the energy and excitment thinking that the great trib was going to start any day now (fear too, but that's another story). alan mcgee gemma interview . Danker, et al., Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, Chicago: University of Chicago, 2000, p. 191). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYGp5gD-oo&feature=related. friends. (January 1883, page 425) "Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." Page 15, Paragraph 6 "In Noah's day, Jehovah declared: 'My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. In this article, we discuss what Armageddon is, what events will lead up to it, and how we can remain faithful as the end draws near. How should we respond to warnings we have been given? 2. 1879 was the start of The Watchtower and 1999 was 120 years later. The WBTS continued through the 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, to warn that Armageddon was coming near. Over the past five years, hundreds of Jehovah's Witnesses have been subjected to raids, arrests and prosecution in Russia. []. If they keep going the way they do, I see a slow death by a thousand cuts. 7:14) How will we know when that tribulation is about to begin? With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it . . Nevertheless, the proclamation will be just another demon-inspired lie. by slimboyfat (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. Prior to 1914, Jehovah's Witnesses believed that Armageddon would end in 1914, and this included the fall of false religion (including Christendom) and the end of all earthly governments followed by heavenly and earthly resurrections and the establishment of paradise on earth. What does it mean to obey the good news about our Lord Jesus? I was quite taken with this theory at the time, but of course 1999 came and went. The organization is asking Ramapo . (The Messenger, Sept. 1940, p. 6), 1968 "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end" to the world, even announcing a specific date. Fred Franz managed to publish more definite statements about 1975 than the other members would have liked. *** w84 12/1 p. 18 Keep Ready! We also show that we know him when we love and obey him and give him our exclusive devotion. While there may be some complimentary things that could be said of these obviously sincere people (their evangelistic energy level is admirable), prophetic accuracy is not among them. ^ par. Can I get a witness, a vote, a bundle of cash like a thieving theologian? I tried to use reasoning but it didn't work: 4 The fact that the word pa-rou-si'a refers to an extended period of time harmonizes with what Jesus said with regard to his presence. Try as they might to dress it up well in talks and the publications, ordinary Witnesses knew in their gut that the society were saying they simply did not know how long the old system might last. However, there appears to be an opening in these statements for some to do just that. Failed Watchtower date predictions and changed date doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses, including lesser known ones such as 1799, 1844, 1874, 1878, 1918, 1920 and the 1940's. . 5 Barak and Deborah ended their song with the words: So let all your enemies perish, OJehovah, but let those who love you be like the sun rising in its glory. (Judg. New features of the work have required new methods, which has meant revisions and changes from time to time in organization instructions, but it is all a part of the advancement of Jehovah's theocratically controlled organization under the immediate direction of Jehovah God himself. Proof they already started on this road. Published March 6, 2022 8:55 a.m. PST. ', 1889 "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." The Jehovahs Witness view of the battle of Armageddon is but one example of the ineptness of this group to analyze biblical prophecy. There are a couple f groups who believe in 2034. (Job 38:22, 23; Ezek. 8 That will be the foretold proclamation of "peace and security." Why will world leaders say that? They could say 2051 as they were given the title of a prophet in 1931 thus 120 years of a witness to the world just a NOAH was a preacher of rightiousness??? (Rev. (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment of his Son's words in a relatively short time." (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah's will with a keen sense of urgency.". Further, they totally ignore the Lords declaration that all the signs of Matthew 24:5-33 were to be fulfilled in the A.D. 70 event. 14 True, some expectations that appeared to be backed up by Bible chronology did not materialize at the anticipated time. {WT 6}. 11. 4:18)"February 15, 1981, page 19. In what ways will Christ be completely victorious? To become, i.e. It is vital, therefore, that each one recognize that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Christian congregation, as well as showing proper regard for those on earth who have been theocratically appointed to positions of oversight.-Phil. Yet nothing happened. Armageddon specifically refers to Mount Megiddo in Israel where some Christians believe the final conflict between good and evil will take place. (2Chron. By putting this value in the parallel equation we get the same result, 2014! 2 - Set an end date at 2034 and attempt to repeat the amount of growth they got in the 20 years prior to 1975. In verse 5, the apostles concluding admonition is: from these turn away. The expression turn away renders the Greek term apotrepou, an imperative mood, present tense, middle voice form, together with the singular number/masculine gender. You know how they expected the end of the world in 1843/4? God gave the people in Noah's day 120 years, and perhaps he was giving us 120 years also. This does not signify that the faithful remnant or society of Jehovah?s anointed witnesses are an earthly tribunal of interpretation, delegated to interpret the Scriptures and its prophecies. The organization expanded worldwide under these men's leadership, from about 113,000 in 1942 to more than 6 million in 2000. 16:16. Its mission is to reveal documents, files, and publications that are kept secret from the vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses, particularly vulnerable persons and women. for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization , Jehovah's anointed witnesses on earth. Yes, they have. Alas, such appears not to be in the foreseeable future. kls. (August 15, 1950, page 263) "The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Even the republics will disappear in the fall of 1920. 32 Replies All rights reserved. How many religions have voluntarily "ceased operations/closed for business"? One would suppose (and even hope) that eventually they would learn from their dismal record of date-setting blunders. As we have seen in recent years, subtlety isn't working; they've gone bat-crap crazy in their bluntness. By Pudgy, August 12, 2021. armageddon. (The Watchtower June 1, 1976 pgs. (Luke 21:36) We must also follow up our prayers by studying Gods Word daily and meditating on it, including its amazing prophecies concerning our times. so looks like they have a new way of conning innocent folk,feckin barstewards! Jehovah is the one behind all of it. I don't know how it reads in French, but the english version seems to me to be just an illustration - Just as Noah waited a long time for the end, we should be prepared to also wait a long time. But this lie will be especially dangerous because it will give people a false sense of security just before the greatest tribulation in human history begins. *** Awake! Pin On Jehovah S Witnesses On The Move .

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